Just one way the prosperity preachers are spending the widow’s mites:
Jesse Duplantis Cessna Citation 500 Cost: $1.25 Million
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Joyce Meyer Bombardier Challenger 604 Cost $4.5 Million
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Benny Hinn Grumman Gulfstream II Cost: $4.5 Million
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TBN’s Paul and Jan Crouch Bombardier Challenger 604 Cost: $16.5 Million
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Kenneth Copeland Cessna Citation X Cost $20 Million x2 (one for his wife too)
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The Jesse Duplantis jet is a modestly priced plane for his rigorous speaking schedule.
Plea by Bob — August 17, 2006 @ 1:24 am
I’m sure they could find a verse they could twust to prove Jesus had a jet.
Plea by pilgrim — August 17, 2006 @ 2:02 am
Well played, sir!
What might the soundtrack be on these flights?
“Come Fly With Me”
Plea by axegrinder — August 17, 2006 @ 2:33 am
This reminds me of what a friend of my dad’s said when we told him that a famous South African pastor(?) had a house that cost ten million Rand (about $1,43 million).
He said: “That is obscene.”
Apparently, said famous pastor now lives down at the coast, and flies up every weekend to preach at his church.
I wonder when he’s gonna make the excuse of his “hectic travel schedule” and buy himself a private jet.
The saddest part of this is that the world looks at these guys and what they get up to, and they use this as an excuse to write off the Gospel.
People reject God’s Truth anyway, supressing it in unrighteousness (Romans 1:18-21), and yet here are the Word Faith “preachers” offering up an excuse on a silver platter. Like I quoted in the “Goin’ My Way” Post, 1 Peter 3:15-16: “but in your hearts regard Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect, having a good conscience, so that, when you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame.”
Plea by Grant — August 17, 2006 @ 2:59 am
Hey some of them went Canadian (bombardier). they’re helping our economy, isn’t that altruistic?
I dunno I’ve always felt that at least they live consistantly with what they teach…What else would you expect? *shrug*
Grant, of course this is an easy excuse to reject the gospel. However, as you also said, people would reject it without one. I do think it is too much to blame someone’s hatred for God on those preachers-they’ll have much to answer for anyway.
Plea by Char — August 17, 2006 @ 4:05 am
With fuel costs up these folks are probably feeling it in the pocket every time they fly.
Plea by Christopher — August 17, 2006 @ 6:31 am
Char, while I agree that some people will always find a reason to reject the Gospel, why supply then with new ones?
Let people be turned away by the idea they would have to lead holy lives and devote time and money to charity. Not by million-dollar jets and scam artists.
Plea by Gerard Charmley — August 17, 2006 @ 6:55 am
thats sickening. Doesn’t Dr. Bob Jones III have a jet?
Plea by Jim — August 17, 2006 @ 7:10 am
It is sickening. Paul took comfort that even when teachers did things for their own profit, the gospel was preached. With these guys (gals) can we even take comfort in THAT?
Plea by Brandt — August 17, 2006 @ 7:17 am
“Up in the air, Junior Birdmen. Up in the air, upside down…”
Oops! Sorry. I forgot I already used that line on the last pope, er, post.
Plea by Lee Shelton — August 17, 2006 @ 7:24 am
In keeping with the movie that this riffs on, I have to admit, I see this post, and the first thing that comes to mind is Samuel L Jackson’s “favorite” word (as applied to the owners of these jets).
Plea by Brendt — August 17, 2006 @ 7:32 am
acquisition costs are staggering to us commoners, but operational costs (insurance, maintenance, fuel, flight crew, etc) are also quite large.see table 1 - sample cashflow]
Plea by mark_5 — August 17, 2006 @ 8:29 am
What a contrast to a brother telling me just yesterday that he recently met a missionary in Mexico who needs a horse (the ONLY means of transportation there) but lacks the $800 to buy one.
As for taking some comfort that these people are preaching the gospel, I don’t find that I hear them talking about the gospel much. Far more emphasis is given to what one is owed to mankind by God in the way of physical and financial comfort than on one’s need for salvation.
Plea by Jan D — August 17, 2006 @ 8:41 am
What puzzles me is how much money has not been tithed at the local church level but has instead been sent through to our (I say our because we are all in the same body of Christ) evangelist friends. I think the right honorable Rick Warren is on to something - reverse tithing, where he gives 90% of his income to the church. What a contrast.
Plea by Tony — August 17, 2006 @ 9:08 am
Marc, this is one of the funniest posts I have ever seen.
Plea by Gordon Cloud — August 17, 2006 @ 9:37 am
Paul walked.
Plea by Bibliosteve — August 17, 2006 @ 9:57 am
And they fly around to shopping malls for fun like Jim and Tammy might have done? Did anyone remember that one of Billy Graham’s common forms of transportation is a limo? We don’t complain if a mob boss has a fleet of limos because then we can shake our fist and grumble at their evil ways. But a Christian, an evangelist reaching the lost all over the world with money? No! No!
Orrrr, do these people schedule preaching engagements (normally called “a ministry”)all over the world and need a jet to get there fast? Would you rather they walk with a staff and beg their way so you can approve of their humility and noble poverty? Do you know why some Kingdom workers are prosperous and others aren’t? Several reasons. Here’s a few.
1. Some Christians can’t handle wealth. They forget God and spend it on themselves.
2. Location, location, location. If you need a jet to get to India, God provides a way for you to have one. If your ministry is on the local street corner, you don’t need a jet.
3. If it is true that the more you give with sincere motives, the more God blesses you, you may be able to live better than comfortably on the smaller portion of your income.
Get over it.
It never ceases to amuse me how nuts Christians’ criticism gets when another Christian has a bigger house, a better car, a more fun vacation, etc.
God deals with each of us individually. There are no precedents. (He got a jet! Wah wah! I want one too!) So you can go all over the world and preach and minister to needs, start churches, feed and clothe the poor and helpless? I think if you examined at least the Meyer ministry you would find a great deal of charity within it.
I’m sorry, but I can’t screw up the humor to associate any of these people to the snake movie. You’re saying the man or woman projecting God’s Word worldwide is a snake?
Humor goes only so far. At a certain point it’s over the top.
Plea by Jane — August 17, 2006 @ 10:23 am
Tony, Your assumption that these people are “in the same body of Christ” is at best a dubious one.
Plea by bob s — August 17, 2006 @ 10:33 am
Jane,
Do you think that health, wealth and prosperity is the gospel?
Plea by Marc — August 17, 2006 @ 10:41 am
I wonder what kind of plane the Osteens own?
Jane,
speaking of snakes..Didn’t Jesus call the popular religious leaders of his day.. snakes
Plea by Rich — August 17, 2006 @ 10:45 am
Nothing says the ‘abundant life’ like a Challenger with leather seats!
Jane:
Actually, there are precedents for how Christians should perceive worldly riches, and deal with wealth. See, for instance, 1 Timothy 6: 6-10 and 17-19. See also the Matthew 19: 16 - 30.
What we have, we are to use responsibly. It’s worthwhile for all of us to keep in mind that, by historical standards, we’re most of us pretty rich.
I, personally, prefer my ‘retro’ Boeing 707 to any of these newfangled planes…
Plea by James Vander Woude — August 17, 2006 @ 11:05 am
Marc, your crazy! Purgatorio continues to smash ‘american’ christianity.
Curious/stupid, I, went to the Duplantis site.
He has a video off of the home page actually saying, ‘I’m a good business man’ in context of asking for more partners to help his ministry purchase/build a hanger at the New Orleans airport which will cost ‘him’ $2 million more, so he can ‘preach the gospel’.
Watch it yourself here:
http://www.jdm.org/mediaplayer.
aspx?id=wu_08102006b&tabindex=-
1&title=webupdate
Plea by WES — August 17, 2006 @ 11:06 am
Stinger missiles for everyone!
Plea by Walt — August 17, 2006 @ 11:24 am
All of you would have your own jet if your schedule demanded it and your finances allowed it. You are against “prosperity” are you? Why do you invest in the stockmarket? 401k with matching funds? Insurance policies?
Oh, maybe it’s about them being ostentatious or flamboyant. Isn’t that why you are in debt for the next 20 years, paying ridiculous interest rates on credit for purchases made on things you really don’t need? What, a ‘72 Pinto and a Thatch Hut isn’t good enough for you?
The false teachings of the “snakes” doesn’t excuse your hypocrisy
Plea by Jeff — August 17, 2006 @ 11:31 am
snakes on a plane and snakes in the grass.
SK
Plea by SK Schultz — August 17, 2006 @ 11:59 am
How these “preachers” can justify this is beyond me. Jane you’re rational is that of an airplane sales rep.
Plea by A different Jane — August 17, 2006 @ 12:06 pm
Jane: “But a Christian, an evangelist reaching the lost all over the world with money? No! No!”
Jane, I agree that Christians can be wrongly criticized for their prosperity. But the “evangelists” referred to here are not preachers of the gospel. They push a health-and-wealth, name-it-and-claim-it “gospel” that isn’t compatible with biblical teaching.
Plea by Lee Shelton — August 17, 2006 @ 12:10 pm
If anyone is feeling investigative, you can use the FlightAware site to track flights by airport, tail number, or airplane type. For example, N750TX shows recent flights of a Citation X that stops at Ft Worth Alliance airport. Is it Copeland’s? Can’t say, because the ownership records will usually point to a leasing company or trustee. But if you followed it, you may be able to match to Copeland’s schedule.
Note that Copeland has his own private airport (Kenneth Copeland 4TA2), a former National Guard base. You can see it here.
Plea by Cris — August 17, 2006 @ 12:45 pm
Jane et al, The complaint isn’t about wealth or possesions in general but the fact that their money comes from donations. People ostensibly believe that they are sending money to help the Lord’s work not money to pay for a personal jet. I would be sickened if my pastor appropriated money from tithes and offerings to buy a new car but wouldn’t mind at all if he saved from his salary over the years so he could buy a bigger house.
Plea by Amanda — August 17, 2006 @ 1:48 pm
I wonder how Jesus will respond to these people when they stand before him to give an account. Whose kingdom are they really building?
In Christ
Mike Ratliff
Plea by Mike Ratliff — August 17, 2006 @ 2:08 pm
Jeff said:
The false teachings of the “snakes” doesn’t excuse your hypocrisy
Amen Jeff but I don’t have those things. I’m satisfied with my Ford ranger truck.
Plea by Rich — August 17, 2006 @ 2:09 pm
Now that make-up, pastes, and other cosmetics have been banned from commercial flights, I think Jan Crouch’s only shot at traveling may be a private jet!
Plea by Scott I. — August 17, 2006 @ 2:21 pm
Jane Said: “I’m sorry, but I can’t screw up the humor to associate any of these people to the snake movie. You’re saying the man or woman projecting God’s Word worldwide is a snake?”
ok they aren’t snakes…merely heretics.
Plea by Jan D — August 17, 2006 @ 2:50 pm
Last comment from me on this one….
If these people represent great ministries that practice good stewardship why is it that NONE of them belong to any of the independent financial accountability orgs like ECFA?
Plea by Jan D — August 17, 2006 @ 2:54 pm
sadly, this link is real, and not on LarkNews or The Sacred Sandwich:
http://elitecxteam.org/scripture/
Plea by mark_5 — August 17, 2006 @ 3:11 pm
I don’t follow any of the ministries of the people above (though my wife likes Joyce Meyer), but let me offer a possible defence:
Do you know how much it would cost for them to travel _without_ the plane? Remember, these shows aren’t done by a single person, and the equipment to do them cannot be relegated to a carry-on bag. Let’s say you had to get 15 people to a new location every 3 days. If you fly them by commercial air, that would be roughly $8,000 per location. If you go to 100 locations in a year, that’s $800,000 in a _single year_. And then if you have to transport equipment, even that won’t do. And if you are talking about overseas travel, it’s even worse. And if you travel by commercial air, you lose many hours of travel time that you could be using to minister.
Perhaps these jets, at least for some of the people, are actually _necessary pieces of equipment for ministry_.
Maybe they aren’t, and maybe these people are snakes. But I think that pages such as this — accusing people of wrongdoing based on innuendo, is certainly wrong.
I know I disagree with several of these people on their theology, but I refuse to use that as a reason to accuse them of things that I don’t have adequate knowledge of.
I also think that accusations of “prosperity gospel” are too easy to cast about. Surely there are many who believe that, but I’ve also seen many people who have been impugned for that theology whose theology has never claimed that. It seems that anyone who uses the words “faith” and “God has blessed me” gets accused of preaching the prosperity gospel, as does anyone who thinks that God can and does restore money (the book of Job indicates that this can be true). “Prosperity Gospel” should be only claimed when someone says that faith somehow obligates God to make you rich with money.
Plea by Jonathan Bartlett — August 17, 2006 @ 3:34 pm
Jonathan said “I don’t follow any of the ministries of the people above”
Jonathan, maybe you ought to do a little research before coming to the defense of something you admittedly know nothing about. I notice that doesn’t stop you from characterizing this post as being wrong. Since you have never commented here before I find it, let’s just say ironic.
Plea by Marc — August 17, 2006 @ 4:34 pm
Scott– nicely done!
Ken Copeland has his own airport??
Plea by PaulB — August 17, 2006 @ 4:56 pm
For a rich man to get into heaven, is like a Cessna Citation 500 going through the eye of a needle.
Plea by Chamblee54 — August 17, 2006 @ 5:09 pm
That is sooooooooooooooo wrong…with these WORD OF FAITH TEACHERS and PROSPERITY GOSPEL
Plea by Jimmy Li — August 17, 2006 @ 5:09 pm
I tend to agree with Jonathan. While these “evangelists” seem to have missed the gospel (based on their purchase of expensive jets), I would argue that several of us have also missed the gospel as we comment on this post. Why don’t we leave it to God to see where their hearts are at and not try to make judgements on their ministry or their salvation based on one purchase? The gospel is about Christ making it possible for the church to be declared righteous despite an unfathomable depth of sin. It is most certainly NOT about looking at everyone else and seeing how they measure up to our standard. I personally don’t agree with the theology or methodology of any of these evangelists nor do I approve of them buying luxurious jets to tour around the country (although I don’t know all the details of their finances). But maybe, JUST MAYBE some of us are the snakes…
Plea by Lucas — August 17, 2006 @ 5:13 pm
“If you would like to enrich your spiritual life and connection with your church family, we have several volunteer opportunities open as stewardesses and jet engine mechanics…”
Plea by Abelard — August 17, 2006 @ 5:16 pm
Lucas it is no doubt true that many of us are snakes in some way, myself included. But to use that excuse to not say a word while widows send half their social security checks to carnival hucksters pedalling a false gospel is another matter. If one person reads this and thinks better of contributing to any of these “ministries”, then that’s a good thing.
Plea by Marc — August 17, 2006 @ 5:17 pm
So where is Creflow gimme a dollar, or Rod parsnips, and that little guy Fred pricetag??
Plea by plw — August 17, 2006 @ 5:31 pm
Jeff, do you live in a thatched hut and drive a 72′ Pinto?
Plea by Brent — August 17, 2006 @ 5:33 pm
Hm, reminds me of that old song . . .
“I’ll fly away, O glory! I’ll fly away . . .”
Plea by Kyle — August 17, 2006 @ 5:46 pm
If you don’t want to join the Elite CX team, you can still follow Brother Copeland’s flights at N1962J.
And here’s his private airport.
Plea by Cris — August 17, 2006 @ 6:08 pm
I do listen to Joyce. Her ministry is not dessert i.e. prosperity based on nothing more than “here I am Santa-God, I expect riches”. If you really listen to her she dishes out spinach and vegetables daily. She also pays herself almost $1 mil a year AND
Plea by Jane — August 17, 2006 @ 6:24 pm
If you listen to Joyce for example, she is dishing out the spinach, not the dessert i.e. she preaches responsible living, giving to the Kingdom, never begging for $ for her own ministry, goes to India regularly, has a homeless ministry, a young women’s ministry to aid them coming off drugs and establishing a life worth living and many more facets to serve God.
Get a grip! I don’t know much about the others’ personal expenditures, but I understand it’s a king’s ransom to buy TV time and employ all the people it takes to run the ministry.
About her salary: she funnels 90% back to the ministry and lives quite nicely on the 10%. I think that’s exactly what the founder of Penney’s, Mr. Penney himself did. I suspect he had much wealth left over to live on. I don’t hear about his ministry. Complain about him, would you?
Doesn’t the prophecy of the end times say something about shouting God’s word from the rooftops? I don’t think that’s accomplished by a ladder up against the house. I suspect that is accomplished through satellite dishes.
Unless we walk in at least Joyce’s moccasins (high heels), we don’t know squat if she deserves a jet or not.
Again, is this for personal enjoyment or for getting her to India, Australia, etc to preach, teach, and serve?
Plea by Jane — August 17, 2006 @ 6:34 pm
Jane, your basic assumption is that they are preaching the gospel. I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on that point. I think they are enemies of the cross and preach to personally enrich themselves.
P.S. You may want to lay of the spinach and go for some real meat sometime
Plea by Marc — August 17, 2006 @ 6:42 pm
Comment 39 totally wins.
From my small amount of research on the Word of Faith movement and the like Prosperity Gospel organizations, Marc’s post does accurately reflect the views of these preachers. Rather than hearing them make statements concerning the financial benefits of a private jet or how it benefits their ministry needs, what I hear (especially from Copeland) is that God wants to make us exorbitantly wealthy and here’s some proof of that .
Also, if these “ministries” really “require” these luxurious personal jets, or if they provide the greatest fiscal benefit to said ministry, maybe it ought to be one more reason to call into question the need of such ministries for the global church.
It would seem to me that as soon as one’s “ministry” requirements include luxurious travel arrangements and obscenely expensive custom wardrobes which of necessity tax millions of viewers across the globe to maintain them, it may be time to perform another cost-benefit analysis on the ministry. Since they don’t truly minister to people (considering they have no gospel to minister with), these ministries seem to exist more to sustain and advance the lucrative lifestyles of these frauds than to serve the church or kingdom.
Plea by Andrew — August 17, 2006 @ 6:44 pm
Marc,
Dr. Piper seems to get all over the country and globe to preach the gospel. Funny, I don’t remember him needing a $20 million plane…
Plea by Scott — August 17, 2006 @ 7:35 pm
I will still stand by my comment near the top–these men and women are experts at twisting scripture to make it say whatever they want—and while what I posted is slightly tongue in cheek, if it came right down to it I have no doubt a man such as John Avanzini could mangle a text or two to support these
“evangelists” in their oppulence.
I have nothing against Christians being wealthy–but not when it’s such a major part of their teaching–and it is a major part in most if not all of those pictured above.
Plea by pilgrim — August 17, 2006 @ 8:05 pm
Just out of curiousity?? I am sure that many countries have their own wonderful missionaries preaching the gospel…so why do these folks need jets anyways to spread the gospel? Why do they need to travel all over the place? And….giving the argument that they need jets to cover their expenses for travel…why does Kenneth Copeland’s wife need her own jet? Can’t she borrow her husband’s jet?
Plea by candyinsierras — August 17, 2006 @ 8:07 pm
Lucas at #41 said, “While these ‘evangelists’ seem to have missed the gospel (based on their purchase of expensive jets), I would argue that several of us have also missed the gospel as we comment on this post.”
Just a point of clarification: It is not their purchase of expensive jets that indicates they have missed the gospel, but rather the ridiculous teaching coming out of their mouths that sadly confirms this truth.
Plea by Wes Kenney — August 17, 2006 @ 8:38 pm
The most incredible/abominable/hilarious thing yet is that the scripture link provided by commentor #35 that Copeland uses says it all…
He uses 2 Samuel 23:13-16, and the mighty men who risked their lives to get David water. Copeland compares the eliteCX team to these men.
But he left out a very important point if he wants to use these scriptures. David didn’t drink the water they got, but poured it out!
So if he is to use this as a warrant for his team, to be consistent he must now give the plane back!
This is not a prophetic, but a pathetic use of scripture…
Plea by Even So... — August 17, 2006 @ 8:46 pm
Just to clarify, the passage is on the site, but curiously he didn’t include the last phrase of verse 16, which says that David would not drink the water, but poured it out unto the Lord…
Plea by Even So... — August 17, 2006 @ 8:49 pm
I don’t think most people begrudge Donald Trump his private jets. Unlike these hucksters, he’s earned his money through shrewd business ventures, not from widows’ mites.
It’s not necessarily wealth in and of itself, but how that wealth is acquired that gets folks rankled.
Plea by wordsmith — August 17, 2006 @ 8:54 pm
“We rob our brothers by all that we own, and that’s not they way He has shown…”
Michael Card, ca. 1988
maybe we could start a support group for these wealthy ones who are really good at personal consumption: “defenders of the jets”. Next meeting, Tuesday night in the Hamptons. No, let’s make it in Aspen. Please provide your own transportation.
Plea by jon p. — August 17, 2006 @ 9:30 pm
er, sorry… it’s supposed to read “…and that’s not THE way He has shown…”
still haven’t found that hidden spell checker button on the purgatorio web site.
Plea by jon p. — August 17, 2006 @ 9:33 pm
Second the vote for post 39.
I have frequently heard the cry “You don’t live in a straw hut OR no one begrudges other CEOs of companys these kind of perks”
The first is just silly. No one is calling these people to live in straw huts. A 4 million dollar parsonage (Joyce Meyer)is a far cry from a straw hut as is a private jet.
The second is a failure to recognize a basice difference between non-profit and for profit entities. The primary mission of a private company is to make money. This ought not to be the primary mission of these organizations.
Not to mention that as federally tax exempt entities there are strict rules against using the non-profit for the private inurement of “insiders.”
Plea by Jan D — August 17, 2006 @ 10:06 pm
For better or for worse, my technical work brought me into close contact with a prominent “Word of Faith” church for a few years, though I never joined. I had the opportunity to hear Ken Copeland, Jesse Duplantis, the late Ken Hagin, and others like them speak in person, and edited dozens of messages by a popular “word of faith” preacher . I was at a point in my life where I had little initial knowledge of what the Word of Faith movement was about, and for some time I gave those preachers the benefit of the doubt, as other commenters on this post are doing. Eventually, I quit working for them after I’d heard quite enough, and could no longer continue to resist the temptation to electronically alter the pastor’s words to something more edifying…a Monty Python quote, for instance. At the end of the experience, I acknowledge the likelihood that many of these preachers genuinely believe their own message. Certainly their followers do, including those who work high up in their organizations. However, they are seriously deceived, and their self-deception has worked so much to their financial benefit that they will continue to self-justify their own ridiculous beliefs and practices. Their “theology” allows them to be proud and pleased as punch at every dollar they spend on their jets and every other garish luxury. It has nothing to do with “need”. They are claiming their reward! Reaping their harvest!
One of their exegetical techniques that allows them to read so much between the lines of the Gospel is that they believe there is a larger, overarching understanding of the character and will of God, and that “difficult” Bible passages must be understood according to that framework. This allows them to build the prosperity theology on a foundation of individual Bible verses about healing and blessing, isolated from context and protected from any passages that might contradict their notions. They conveniently dismiss the idea that the message of the Bible–or of any book, for that matter–must grow from the text on up, not from a preconceived notion on down. They really stand on their head to explain the book of Job, but stand on it they do.
Systematic scriptural analysis is absent from their messages. Rather, their messages are a perpetual re-invention of God’s formula for personal success, usually with a tenous connection to a couple verses about blessing and healing. The prerequisites for God’s blessing must be constantly re-stated and adjusted in order to explain why so many of their followers are still getting nothing but 10% poorer every time the offering plate goes by.
Perhaps Jane and others have a similar fiber-thin hold on some truth when they say we can’t judge these preachers’ hearts from the outside and call them “snakes”.
On the other hand, sometimes snakes is as snakes does.
Plea by Chris Wilde — August 17, 2006 @ 10:27 pm
Yes, Marc, I do assume the best of people before I shoot them. “They’ll know we are Christians by our love” not by our shooting our own. Joyce doesn’t preach prosperity in and of itself. She says it’s God’s choice to reward or not and it may not be money. Her spinach AND MEAT messages pointed me to Yeshua Who pulled me out of myself into a relationship with Him. Another friend of mine accepted salvation through a broadcast on CBN. No matter the televangelist’s motives or the enless griping and petty whining of the jealous so-called brethren (oh, let us not forget judging) God uses them. Whatever is more important than winning souls? Oh, and in answer to the question of why people within a country don’t minister to their own? Money or the lack thereof maybe. Why do we need travelling missionaries? Why did we ever? Answer: That was the Great Commission given by Our Lord Himself. And in the 21st century it cost boucou bucks.
Now, get off your whiney donkey and focus on the mission from the book of Matthew. There’s recreational fun and there’s blasphemy. You have abused servants of the most high God whether you like their life styles (their own business) or not. God IS using them which makes them HIS concern and HIS alone. I imagine He’d like a little support from the Family.
Would YOU reward a child who does nothing but complain, backbite, ridicule, and throw hissy fits? Not me.
We have threats of our extinction out there, and less time than ever before to putz around picking on each other.
Plea by Jane — August 18, 2006 @ 8:29 am
I’m leaving Jane the last word and closing comments as the tone seems to becoming more shrill and we’ve covered most of the bases I think.
Plea by Marc — August 18, 2006 @ 8:43 am
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[…] Fred Price, Creflo Dollar y Benny Hinn prefieren el Grumman Gulfstream II’s, que requiere una tripulación de dos pilotos y acomoda a 19 pasajeros; estos juguetitos vuelan a 581 mph con un alcance de 4,275 miles y si estás interesado, puedes comprarte uno usado, por el económico precio de $4.5 millones. Hasta el momento en que Kenneth Copeland recibió su nuevo Citation X, Paul Crouch era el indiscutible leader de la sociedad de “pastores con alas” con un Bombardier Challenger 604; con una tripulación de dos personas este avión puede llevar 19 pasajeros a una velocidad crucero de 529 millas por hora plus con 19 pasajeros abordo y un radio de alcance de 3,860 millas. El avión tiene un valor de $16.5 milliones, sin incluir la remodelación interior que Paul ordenó hacer. […]
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[…] I never watch Nightline, usually we’re watching Jay Leno or playing Guitar Hero. But tonight something caught our eyes as we flipped past ABC. It was Creflo Dollar defending his mega-prosperity ministry & church. He, along with others (Benny Hinn, Kenneth and Gloria Copeland of Texas, David and Joyce Meyer of Missouri, Randy and Paula White - who are divorcing by the way, of Florida and Bishop Eddie Long of New Birth Missionary Baptist Church in Lithonia, Ga.), are being investigated by Senator Grassley (apparently) for their mega-money lifestyles that include private jets, Rolls Royce’s, mansions, etc. During the interview Dollar gets blasted for not turning over his personal financial records, to which he (Dollar), says that he is making a stand for all ministries because it’s their constitutional right… ugh yeah, thanks dude. To me it sounded a lot like spin, as he explained away all the money and prosperity teaching. On the other hand, his church has done a lot of great charity work, and he has personally as well. So what to think? […]
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